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Dan Miller - Lead Net pro WON'T RETURN E-MAILS OR PHONE CALLS - WON'T ISSUE REFUND - I WAS LIED TO ABOUT SOFTWARE CAPABILITIES - TOTAL scam !!! Wo
11th of Jan, 2011 by User975255
I responded to an employment ad in Craigslist that was placed by Don Gillette regarding an opportunity to work as a lead broker. The ad was deceptive in that it was not a job but after a lengthy presentation it was revealed that it was a business opportunity. The opportunity however sounded very good.


The premise was that you purchase the Lead Net Pro software for $397.00 and a $19.95 per month fee, you also need to set it up on your own domain (it requires its own so you need to purchase a domain name and web hosting) and they strongly recommend a merchant account through First Data which requires a minimum six month contract. To cancel this contract now will cost me $150.00 in addition to everything else I have been charged. After all of this is done Don emphatically stated many times and in several ways that you could use this software to extract leads for any industry, and sell them to service providers such as Mortgage Brokers, Debt Settlement companies, Insurance Agents, Roofing Companies, and anyone who needs fresh sales leads.Of course there is no way to test the software ahead of time because you need a personal copy set up on your private domain.


The problem is that once I purchased the software and got everything set up it became obvious that it was not capable of producing such lists at all. Let me explain what Lead Net Pro (LNP) actually is. LNP is first an extractor, second an e-mail broadcaster, and third a phone broadcast system (autodialer). It combs the Internet extracting e-mail addresses and phone numbers from various web sites according to the keywords you put in. As extractors go, LNP returns paltry results. What made it attractive is that it was said to be able to extract customers for the services listed above which would indeed be beneficial and unusual. LNP however is NOT CAPABLE of doing this! It like other extractors can only gather the information of providers for these services who are listed on the Internet. There is no repository for potential customers, no place where people go and say I am likely to buy this product or need this service in the near future. The way lead companies get this information is through expensive advertising and capture pages. It was insinuated that somehow LNP was able to get this information.


When I confronted Don Gillette about this, he said he could go onto CraigsList and do a general extraction (extract all of the e-mails and phone numbers from all of the ads) and do a mailing offering a service or product and the people who responded could then be sold as a lead to a business. The problem is that he is simply spamming and breaking the law according to the Can Spam Act. Also you could not gather enough names that way to ever run a successful lead company. So not only is he intentionally lying about the capabilities of the software, he is teaching people how to break the law and put themselves in jeopardy.


LNP themselves admitted that the software couldn't do what their reseller said it would do, but they didn't offer any solution but rather threatened to pull their support to me if I continued to write them letters of complaint. Since that first e-mail they have not responded to any of my subsequent e-mails or phone calls.


According to the training videos the way you are to use the software is to extract the information for Network Marketers and reverse market to them through e-mail (express an interest in their business in hopes of opening a dialog and then sell them the software) the problem is that after mailing thousands of people the response was only seven people who were complaining about the fact they are getting bombarded with these types of e-mails and that they knew I was trying to sell a lead system. You can also try to autodial the phone numbers it collects, which I admit I didn't try to do because it costs money to send each one and I already know they are upset with people trying to sell them the system. Lead Net Pro is simply a scam. Don Gillette brags about making $20,000 to $30,000 per month selling this system through his deceptive CraigsList ad to poor people looking for a job. When I confronted him he said sarcastically Yeah I'm sure you make more money than I do. Like that was what is important and not the way you make that money. For me, ripping people off isn't worth my integrity, even at $30,000 per month.


When I started to point out what he was doing was illegal he quickly said he would refund his portion ($300) of my $397 a week and a half later. I am waiting to see if he does as I write this.


I had spoken to Dan Miller and worked one of his other programs before and I thought he was a very nice guy (even though I didn't make any money with his other program called IPC) so I trusted him. That was a mistake! He cannot be trusted, and his software is a blatant scam. Period! I cannot get any response about getting a refund from him, and I am out a lot of time and money. I will now try and win my money back through a credit card dispute which is a lengthy process, always difficult, and there is no guarantee I will win.First Data has already told me they will not cancel my contract with them even though LNP lied to me. They are demanding the $150.00 to cancel.


I don't want anyone else to go through this. Keep your money in your pocket, and if you come across anything associated with Dan Miller or Don Gillette, turn and walk away!

Comments
4735 days ago by Dbanks
This is Hilarious on many fronts!

I say this post is hilarious because the MAIN COMPLAINT of this TNC person is that a reseller told him that he makes a lot of money with Craigs List. The next thing that seemed to have happened is that TNC was not able to make money. (With the same Craig's List I wonder?)

It appears that a very short time went by, then suddenly TNC decides what the reseller was doing could be wrong. SO he attacks the creator of the software! There is a logic problem with that. TNC, your problem is with the Reseller, no wonder Dan Miller doesn't talk to you!

TNC you stated you have been a marketer of earlier products, so I can assume that you in fact had a good understanding of the Can Spam Act. Right? if not, what led you to this sudden realization? Odd that it coincided exactly with your complaint.

So TNC what are you saying here? You bought something and hoped to use it like the reseller did, and you just didn't know what he told you was not ok?

Or, are we to understand you have been a marketer for a very long time, and had no idea about Can Spam?

Honestly, that leaves either you are ignorant, or rather shady yourself. Which is it?

I suggest you actually quit looking for a handout, an easy way to do business and learn how to properly use the Lead Net Pro Software. It is sold as a Business to Business Tool! Dan himself explicitly states it is not a tool to market to consumers.

TNC you would have to be pretty experienced to make the following statement..."As extractors go, LNP returns paltry results. What made it attractive is that it was said to be able to extract customers for the services listed above which would indeed be beneficial and unusual."

The first part proves my point that TNC has lots of experience to be able to compare the quality of extractors.
The second part of this statement proves my point that he must be ignorant or shady (to be wanting to advertise directly to extracted customers). I think it was the latter, because what Newbie can compare extractors? Who are you trying to kid TNC?

My guess is that TNC sells other extractors, and I would further guess that he is using Rip Off Report as an attack. He probably sells a competing brand, and thinks this will do him some good. That itself would probably be illegal. I am sure you know that Rip Off Report takes your IP adddress and knows it. And you can be identified with it. One thing is clear, you don't really know the law, and making statements for the purpose of injuring someone can backfire on you.

DM
4700 days ago by Bob4545
Well said, DM...the other thing that gets me about his rant is he NEVER even used the system, he says it himself. How can you evaluate something you haven't tried? You're a baffoon! If you are going to make a go of it then make a go of it. It's a business, and business takes time to grow and you have to be mentally tough. If you can't take one setback then you belong in the 9 to 5 till 65.

- ST
4652 days ago by Sueamber
Well Said...9 to 5ctill 65 thats to funny...lol
4638 days ago by Grrrrrrr
Lead Net Pro Is a SCAM!!! Don't WASTE you money! The guy that signed me up that supposedly made $900/ day left after being with LNP for only 1 month, then he was hitting me up for more "sign up" fees with the new "better company" after 2 weeks ... Would anyone in their right mind quit something if he actually had made $3000 in 5 days??? I think not, unless that person did not receive their money!!!
I tried to cancel since my "sponsor" jumped ship and I had no way to speak with anyone for "assistance" and now I am STILL paying $20/month!!! I can not figure out who to talk to or email to cancel...I am going to write up at BBB next but for now, I will jump on every rant site known to give LNP A bad name, since they deserve it!
4257 days ago by TRADEGUARDIAN
Ok, That's All Cute And Cuddley! But Bottom-Line! Is;
WHY WOULD ANYONE NOW DAYS! BUY ANY THING LIKE THIS!
WITH-OUT A MONEY! BACK GUARANTEE! REFUND.

THE REASON A COMPANY WITH A PRODUCT OF THIS TYPE
DARE NOT OFFER SUCH A SATISFACTION GUARANTEE IS THERE ARE
WAY TOO MANY "SUBJECT TO'S" WHEN IT COMES TO LEAD GENERATION.
YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY GUARANTEE THAT QUALITY LEADS AND PHONE NUMBERS
WILL BE EXTRACTED PROFITIENTLY FROM EVERY NICHE,
(RETENTION & RESIDIVISM ALGORITHEMS) ALONE WOULD HAVE O MUCH
REDUNDENCY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TECHNICALLY HAVE
CONSTANTLY UPDATED BACK DOOR NETWORK ENTRANCE TO EVERY COMPANY
IN PRACTICALLY EVERY NICHE MARKET KNOWN TO MAN, NOT TO MENTION THE
TOTALLY NEW UPSTARTS!

Second; WHO WOULD SELL SOMTHING THIS POWERFUL
FOR A FEW MEASLEY HUNDRED WHEN THEY COULD PROVIDE
IT WITH SUPPORT SERVICES AND ON MTHLY SERVICE CONTRACT TO
GOV & INDUSTRY For THOUSANDS!
BIG CORPS PAY THOUSANDS FOR SYSTEMS LIKE THIS IF THEY CAN VERIFY
THAT IT WORKS! ( NO REFUND WITH GUARANTEE, DO YOR SELF A FAVOR; CALL THE FTC. LOL!

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