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The Prospecting Department I Got a Good list Longmont, Colorado
21st of Mar, 2011 by User991899
I was approached by my Sales Rep with The Prospecting Department yesterday afternoon and asked to share my experience with the firm. From what I understand they are currently interviewing their existing clients. My Experience was quite different. I also rec'd several emails from TPD before purchasing a list and I was also hesitant. I have been in the business for over 24 years and have no need for a list, but my nephew has recently joined our team. I thought it may be a good opportunity for him to get his feet wet. We called through the list from head to toe. Not several phone calls over a few days, but we truly worked this list, as it was my money that paid for it not the money of my firm. We scrubbed the list internally and lost about 10% which was expected as we hold quite a bit of the market share since the merge. The 10% was replaced in a timely fashion as promised by my sales rep. These individuals were not waiting on the other line for our call by any means. None of the consumers were "lay downs". We knew this as we paid less than $.50 per lead. The list did meet the criteria for the most part. 90% of the retirees were actually retired and did have assets that were still in the position as described by TPD. I purchased a 2nd list as well. People who had moved into the area, but had advisors still out of state. This was also a good list, again, nobody said "I'm so glad you called I was just writing you a check", but the information was accurate. This is really all you can ask for when purchasing a list. When we finished the first list we lost 10% on the internal scrub, we also turned in about 3% that was bogus information. The retiree list was our favorite as we uncovered several accounts that were valued over 1m. We acquired one of these accounts and still have the other in the works. My nephew hit a couple singles and independently took on his first 2 accounts that met the min. as described by my sales rep (these are the first accounts that were not given to him by our team) By the time we finished the 2nd list were were only able to acquire 1 account on the first pass through. This acct also met the min as described by my sales rep, and my nephew is now handling family referrals from this individual. All in all this was a good list we brought on 4 new accounts (one of which was over 1m). My nephew has built up his confidence and I finally after 24 years in the business have found a good lead list. I have spent thousands on lists in my years, Testing, Trying, Exploring. I am defending this firm not only because I was asked to share my experience, but because I want to be able to purchase listings from them in the future. All Business opportunities are worth being explored. It was a small investment for a good return. I understand not all lists can be good, but not all lists are bad either.
Comments
3947 days ago by JoVa
Look how many other people don't believe your comments. You are the first one to fall off owner. Those of you that don't know, I asked these questions in response to their report.

Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employees posts. The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions. In that sense, anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive. This was my response to the owner of the company wanting me to call and settle this. It is her/his weak attempt to get their name off of a google search.

"Here is what your employees are sending out through emails,
"All of our information is self reported and survey based via direct telemarketing and direct email from large directories of retirees, new homeowners, etc., from the nations top compilers. Once that group is funneled down to only the best prospects that fit our criteria, then we profile every lead to the best of our capabilities. We market and sell them first come first serve to ONE client, and we do NOT resell or recycle any lists."
Let's have this debate on line so any other agents that google "The Prospecting Department" can get an understanding where we are coming from.
1. I am convinced that one of your employees created the good Rip off Report.
2. Don't talk to me about "Professionally, " when your employees are flat out lying about the information. You are going to tell me, and it says it above mind you, that all this information you are selling for $465, is self reported???? Then why does even your good report contest that fact? It says that the information in accurate, not warm. Why did not one person I called remember self reporting anything?
3. Only sold one time? Why did an advisor in my area find the names that you sold me, on another site? I sent him the CD that I received and he said that 99% of the names that I had on there were from a site he uses. I forgot the name of the site, but will let you know. It was a site like Infoseek that was used for straight cold lists. The difference is price is the big thing though!! So you might not resell the names, but the site that people are paying pennies on the dollar is reselling them. (My colleague is going to get me the site that she found these names on when she gets back from Phoenix next week).
4. "who are looking to speak with a licensed agent about starting a life policy." NOT TRUE!!
5. "... come with our 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Let me know which list..." Where is my $465? Why would your employees care if I got my money back? Why wouldn't he just pick up the phone, call me and tell me that I am getting my money back? This leads me to believe that you as the owners are making the employees pay the full amount for the guarantees. I would have to believe that Ryan doesn't have an extra $465 to send my way, so I am the one being schwindled. This one really confuses me "owner." Why would he care if I got my money back? He made me buy into the idea, he lied about it, but he sold me. Is there a bonus structure on top of hourly pay? Is there not even a hourly wage and it is just straight commission and when someone want their money back, you make the employee pay it? I just cannot fathom why he would care if I got my money back or not. Is he you? Are you Ryan Moses? The website says there are different people running the place, but I could see you doing some shady things for tax purposes.
6. "They are no longer comfortable with money sitting there, they are just not sure what options are available for a rollover. They are looking to roll these accounts out right away, and are just in need of a bit of guidance." How do you know this?
7. "All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call" This isn't true either. I use a gryphon system and they weren't scrubbed at all. I understand you replace them and blah, blah, blah. Why in the world would I want more junk like I got the first time?
8. Now that I look at it
"All information is self reported by the consumer
All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call
1 for 1 replacement guarantee on any bad information
All lists are completely EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUYER
1 for 1 replacement on any contact that is already in your system
100% Money Back Guarantee[ if no business is written in 90 days"

Is any of this true? NOPE!

As the owner of your company, I understand you are trying to take this off the internet so you can scam other people. It isn't right though what you and your employees are doing. Are the years you have been here scamming people, worth an eternity in hell that you will be spending? You must find employees for your company at "we have no morals and don't believe in God's teaching" meetings. I pray that none of you have children because they must be proud to know the bread they are eating is stolen from people that are making it through honestly. Future felons of America is what they are going to be. How can you teach a child about doing the right thing, when you are doing the wrong thing. Please provide with me proof and rebuttals to my objections. I am sure anyone else that googles your company would love to hear the truth for once.
3947 days ago by JoVa
Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employee's posts. The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions so anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive. This was my response to the owner of the company wanting me to call and settle this. I had called for a month and couldn't get the guy that sold me the list, to pick up the phone, or call me back. I then posted a rip off report, one to the site and one to the owner, whom had already posted about getting a good list from himself. This was his weak attempt to get The Prospecting Department's name off of a google search. Here are the questions I posted to him.

"Here is what your employees are sending out through emails,
"All of our information is self reported and survey based via direct telemarketing and direct email from large directories of retirees, new homeowners, etc., from the nations top compilers. Once that group is funneled down to only the best prospects that fit our criteria, then we profile every lead to the best of our capabilities. We market and sell them first come first serve to ONE client, and we do NOT resell or recycle any lists."

Let's have this debate on line so any other agents that google, "The Prospecting Department, " can get an understanding where we are coming from.

1. I am convinced that one of your employees created the good Rip off Report.

2. Don't talk to me about "Professionally, " when your employees are flat out lying about the information they are selling. You are going to tell me, and it says it above mind you, that all this information you are selling for $465, is self reported???? Then why doesn't even your good report contest that fact? It says that the information is accurate, not warm. Why did not one person I called remember self reporting anything?

3. Only sold one time? Why did an advisor in my area find the names that you sold me, on another site? I sent him the CD that I received, and he said that 99% of the names that I had on there were from a site he uses. I forgot the name of the site, but will let you know. It was a site like Infoseek that was used for straight cold lists. The difference is price and that is the big thing though!! So you might not resell the names. The site that people are paying pennies on the dollar, is reselling them, however. (My colleague is going to get me the site that she found these names on when she gets back from Phoenix next week. UPDATE: the site is Alaxco(sp?)).

4. "who are looking to speak with a licensed agent about starting a life policy."
THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE!! No one is looking to speak to anyone, about anything. In a lot of cases they were downright rude.

5. "... come with our 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Let me know which list..."
Where is my $465? Why would your employees care if I got my money back? Why wouldn't Ryan just pick up the phone, call me, and tell me that I am getting my money back? This leads me to believe that you as the owners are making the employees pay the full amount for the guarantees. I would have to believe that Ryan doesn't have an extra $465 to send my way, so I am the one being schwindled. This one really confuses me "owner." Why would he care if I got my money back? He made me buy into the idea, he lied about it, but he sold me. Is there a bonus structure on top of hourly pay? Is there not even a hourly wage and it is just straight commission and when someone want their money back, you make the employee pay it? I just cannot fathom why he would care if I got my money back or not. Is he you? Are you Ryan Moses? Your website says there are different people running the place, but I could see you doing some shady things for tax purposes.

6. "They are no longer comfortable with money sitting there, they are just not sure what options are available for a rollover. They are looking to roll these accounts out right away, and are just in need of a bit of guidance."
How do you know this?

7. "All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call"
This isn't true either. I use a gryphon system and they weren't scrubbed at all. I understand you replace them and blah, blah, blah. Why in the world would I want more junk like I got the first time?

8. Now that I look at it:
"All information is self reported by the consumer
All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call
1 for 1 replacement guarantee on any bad information
All lists are completely EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUYER
1 for 1 replacement on any contact that is already in your system
100% Money Back Guarantee[ if no business is written in 90 days"
Is any of this true? NOPE!

As the owner of your company, I understand you are trying to take this off the internet so you can scam other people. It isn't right though what you and your employees are doing. Are the years you have been here scamming people, worth an eternity in hell that you will be spending? You must find employees for your company at "we have no morals and don't believe in God's teaching" meetings. I pray that none of you have children because they must be proud to know the bread they are eating is stolen from people that are making it through country honestly. Future felons of America is what they are going to be. How can you teach a child about doing the right thing, when you are doing the wrong thing. Please provide with me proof and rebuttals to my objections. I am sure anyone else that googles your company would love to hear the truth for once. Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employees posts. The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions. In that sense, anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive. Since I first made this report, the owner would rather point out grammar and proof reading errors, rather than answer questions. My intelligence and errors don't take away from the the main point, THEY ARE SCAM ARTISTS, LIARS, AND YOU WON'T GET YOUR MONEY BACK!!!
3942 days ago by JoVa
Here is what I have learned about the owners of these scam artists.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/multi-level-marketing/the-prospecting-depa/the-prospecting-department-pre-0b4bb.htm

It appears that they are operating out of Edwardsville, IL and are linked to other scam companies like Select Marketing and Prestige Management!!

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