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| moo sool won ari moon, yong moon scam: fake belts, korean con-artists, false black belts Internet |
| 24th of Apr, 2011 by User119230 |
| I went to that school on and off for a couple of months. At first, I was very naive and kind of bought into the whole philosophy that they put out, but do not be misled by it. I think by January I already knew that I was pretty much buying my belts because there was no proper testing behind it. No matter what i did or how i did I would get to the next level. I was scammed out of $10,000 for a fake degree with no proper training behind it. Here is some info from their price list: To get your first degree black belt you will have to pay $2,090 in belt test fees alone., excluding tuition. 1st degree black belt test fee is $800. 2nd degree belt fee test is $1,600. 3rd degree black belt test fee is $3,000. 4th degree black belt test fee is $5,000. When you are a 1st degree black belt, there are 7 so called stars that you will have to get in order to get to a 2nd degree black belt. The belt test fee for each star is $300. That's $2,100 for all of those stars. When you get to a 2nd degree black belt, there are ten stars that you will have to get. The same test fees apply. It comes up to $3,000. When you are 3rd degree black belt, there are fourteen stars that you will have to get. That is $4,200 for all of those stars. 4th degree black belt test fee is $5,000. One year tuition for 5 classes a week is $2,640. One year tuition for 3 classes a week is $2,160. I have observed students at this school: there many child black belts there. In my experience, no-one really knows what it is that they are doing. Please note that the business attempts to remove this review from yelp and they also purchased a membership from BBB to have my complaint removed. Civil case #10M0637 for a lawsuit reference |
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| It is a shame how these days anyone can go online and write whatever they want about others. The person who wrote this complaint was suspended from the school membership because he refused to follow school rules. He never recieved a degree from any proper testing. He recieved a refund. 20 years in Los Angeles and he is the first and only complaint. Young man who is lost spiritually wants to be an actor and show business. Number 1 lesson should be to keep mouth shut when you have nothing good to say. Bad mouthing others will get you no where. We tried teaching him manners and respect but still needs a lot of maturity. Hope he can be a positive person. |
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| this info is from an employee at this school who is brainwashed by the school's religion and is not aware of what the real business practices are or chooses to remain delusional. they owners set me up to have my first lesson with him when i came in on oct. 21, 2009 and then told me that he will be the one teaching the class. later on, it turned out that it was not true and the class was actually filled with children and taught by another student who is supposed to higher belts in exchange for training. please do not buy into the whole spirituality and purity that this business is trying to surround itself with. at the end of the day, all of this is done for money. i was actually attacked by the owner for trying to get a refund. there is a police report on that. the owner's name is yong moon, who claims to be a 10th degree black belt from china. i asked for supporting documents, but was told that their attorney advise them against showing anything like that. there are no records of complaints because most customers are of korean descent and it is not typical in this community to sue or to file complaints. everything actually did happen and there are court documents and contracts that one can look up at Los Angeles Superior Court Case #10M04637. I was actually told at the school that i am a bad person and that i don't have a mind to make my own decisions ever since i got there. that's how they brainwash you. i've observed most people there and talked to a lot of student, and the concerns seemed similar but most were already locked into their contracts and were afraid to say anything. There is no record of these people in any other martial arts organization and i would be very cautious about trusting their degrees. i have a feeling that they were awarded by themselves and have no validity. i tried to get a refund from the beginning as soon as i signed up but had no legal experience did not know how to even file a lawsuit. the first cheque was cashed right away and i couldn't even cancel it from my bank account. i tried to get a refund but the school owner ari moon refused. i kept asking for my money back over and over again but was told to keep quiet and that this was for my own good. i was threatened to either drop a claim against the business or i will be thrown out. i chose not to drop anything. these people know exactly what they are doing and know how to swindle people out of money by manipulating religious and spiritual concepts and basic human emotions. Beware. Whatever belts i got there were fake and i got them in a period of a couple of weeks, one after another. these incidents happened multiple times before. these black belts seem to mean something in the community because of the prestige that a black belt hold but they cannot be backed up by actual skill level or martial arts experience. Stay away and remember you can always check this info with other schools and check into numerous martial arts resources. You can ask for opinions from other martial arts experts or try to call up different martial arts organizations to find out more about these people. there are kung fu organizations in the united states and overseas and there are also other kung fu schools and Korean martial arts schools that may know more about these people. Moo Sool Won is officially owner by Ari Moon. the CEO of the world martial arts federation Inc. is Yong Moon. The World Martial Arts Mission is owned by Ari Moon who claimed that i got a $5, 000 sponsorship from the mission to get me to pay tuition to Moo Sool Won. That sponsorship never came through, and i believe was probably a false statement on behalf of the school owner to get me into a more expensive program. You can follow this blog and i will be updating on future lawsuit resolutions and posting more documents. |
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